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Relic

Voice of Illmuzik Radio
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 83
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bins-council-snoopers-plan-pay-throw-tax.html

I believe it was crap like this that got the tea thrown in the harbour.



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The growing threat of a stealth tax on the rubbish we throw away was exposed by startling figures yesterday.

More than 2.5million homes now have wheelie bins fitted with microchips to weigh their contents.

This is an increase of nearly two-thirds in just a year. The bins, which can be electronically identified and weighed, are designed for 'pay-as-you-throw' rubbish tax schemes.

Under such schemes - which are likely to be hugely unpopular - families who put out more waste will pay higher taxes to their local council.

Disclosure of the rapid spread of chipped bins followed the announcement this week of the first council to bring in a bin tax. Bristol City is presenting its scheme as a reward for recyclers, with cash payments to homes that leave out less rubbish.

The spread of chipped bins marks the revival of a tax idea that the Government appeared to have abandoned last year.

Gordon Brown promised to ditch bin taxes in the spring of 2008, at a point when the unpopularity among voters of fortnightly collections, strict bin rules, and the threat of pay-as-you-throw was at its height.

In January last year, ministers acknowledged that not one council had applied to test pay-as-you-throw schemes.

But yesterday, research by the Big Brother Watch campaign group showed that the use of chipped bins has quietly spread over the past year.

In March 2009, a survey based on Freedom of Information inquiries showed there were 42 councils which used bins with microchips. But the latest check, also based on FOI requests, put the number of authorities with electronic bins at 68 - one in five of all those that collect household rubbish.

According to the responses from town halls, 2,629,052 homes have now been given bins with chips.

Alex Deane of Big Brother Watch, said: 'The number of local councils placing microchips in bins is increasing, despite the fact that only one of them has volunteered to trial the Government's pay-as-you-throw scheme.

'Councils are waiting until the public aren't watching to begin surveillance on our waste habits, intruding into people's private lives and introducing punitive taxes on what we throw away. The British public doesn't want this technology, these fines, or this intrusion.

'If local authorities have no intention to monitor our waste then they should end the surreptitious installation of these bin microchips.'

The campaign group complained that the bins allow councils to examine household rubbish and sell the information to commercial concerns as well as to impose taxes.

It also warned that collection of data from chipped bins could show when households were on holiday, opening the way to abuse by criminals.

The Local Government Association said that microchips were only put in bins to improve services to the public, for example by helping the elderly.

A spokesman said: 'Microchips simply identify the house to which a bin belongs, they do not mean councils can analyse what people are throwing away or issue fines.
'Putting microchips in people's bins can allow councils to provide people with a better service that costs less.

'If an elderly resident needs help getting their bin collected and returned, a microchip quickly flags it up to the refuse collector, saving time and money.'

However, using a microchip to identify a bin means that technology on a dustcart can then weigh it and the information can be used to prepare a tax bill.

Tories said they believed there were even more than 2.6million homes equipped with microchipped bins, numbers of which have been notoriously hard to track in recent years.

Tory local government spokesman Caroline Spelman said: 'Labour Ministers are secretly planning to roll out bin taxes across the country after the election if Gordon Brown can cling to power.

'The Government have already forced through bin tax laws and have been funding the bin technology to collect the taxes.'

A spokesman for the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: 'There are no Government plans to introduce microchips in bins.

'Any use of microchips is a local authority decision - some councils use them to monitor levels of waste. This is not about spying on people or fining them.'

However, in 2008 nearly 100 councils ran investigations into the contents of their residents' bins, in some cases to check on what rubbish they dump and in others to try to obtain information on their incomes and lifestyles.




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dacalion

Hands Of FIRE!
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 259
I was thinking about this sort of ish when I paid my last water bill. My water company is charging me for water waste now. That means Im not only paying for the water but Im also paying to flush it. What I think is really fugged up is they charge you by how much water you use, not how much you flush.That means that if I drink water from home and take a leak somewhere else, Im still paying for it at my home.
 

UNORTHODOX

Father Timeless
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 44
Wow thats crazy. I see either riots, or 2million people scrambling to dump trash in their neighbors bins lol.
 

dacalion

Hands Of FIRE!
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 259
Ish's crazy! Another sign of the times...Its funny how some say everything goes in full circle...I have yet to go in any store and they give me what I want for free or better still...they pay me to take what I want...LMAO! This world really does suck.
 

LouBez

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
The brits are docile people...they aint shakin shit


Its only gonna get worse guys, we are in a depression and there is only one thing that has brought the anglo american empire out in the past...u guys know they recently raised the draft age?
 
i live in a flat, I dont have to worry about this.
But really though I think the point of the article is to show the way that they first test public opinion, which was very against it, to decide which way they are gonna do it, publicly or behind our backs. They have been bombarding us with different ways to tax our carbon emissions and bombarding us with guilt trips that its for the good of the world, when in all honesty, this blip on the map called the United Kingdom really isnt gonna make one fuck of difference. Which shows the ultimate cause is just to taxate us more to pay the massive bank bailout bills, that are the key to our financial enslavement into the NWO.
 

Shonsteez

Gurpologist
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 33
Aside from simply pulling in more money from what sounds like nonsense possibly, isn't the bigger picture here our environment? All of these shitty taxes seem to be related to how people waste and damage our resources - which ironically is also a positive to finally enforce IMO.

I didn't read the article though for the record.
 

UNORTHODOX

Father Timeless
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 44
hmm in DC, we gotta pay 5cents for plastic bags. To "Help curb potomac river polution". Pales in comparison tho.
 
Aside from simply pulling in more money from what sounds like nonsense possibly, isn't the bigger picture here our environment? All of these shitty taxes seem to be related to how people waste and damage our resources - which ironically is also a positive to finally enforce IMO.

I didn't read the article though for the record.
I do actually agree with you there but the money isnt being spent on the environment, thats just the excuse.
If they gave a fuck about the environment they would go for the ones doing the most polluting, multinationals who put profit before anything else. Chemical industries that dump at sea, or pump into local rivers. Deforestation needs to be stopped, but no what do they do, they deforest more so they can grow biofuel.
The point at which there is enough agricultural land to support the populations is getting near balance point, taking away more agriculture for biofuel is crazy, unless they plan on culling the population.
To save the world we need to depopulate, now how does that strike you?
The fact is there really isnt enough to go around. So what do we do?
Im not convinced carbon is the cause of global warming, i think its down to changes in the suns output. And also the already damaged ozone layer. Which was right over the arctic. Which just so happens to be melting quicker now. Which of course is going to have a knock on effect on global climates and weather patterns. The butterfly effect.
If only the tax money was being spent on actually saving the world, but with my understanding of politics and the people that play it, its not.
 

Shonsteez

Gurpologist
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 33
Well from a completely laymen's point of view and without reading the article yet, it seems like the whole point is: you use less water - you help conserve it since you dont wanna break the bank, and as far as waste goes its like the same thing: the less waste you create - the less you have to pay.

The second one is def good for the environment. The conserving water one just seems like a conscious effort to not waste their supply since thats also becoming a major issue out here in the US too, especially in the desert areas and LA.
 

dacalion

Hands Of FIRE!
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 259
hmm in DC, we gotta pay 5cents for plastic bags. To "Help curb potomac river polution". Pales in comparison tho.

The Potomac was in bad shape when I was in DC, dead fish everywhere. My father and I use to go down to Potomac Park all the time, ish we spent most of the time on the Anacostia River side because the Potomac was so bad. I figured they wouldve had it cleaned up by now...smh.

I think everybody should visit Hains Point with "The Awakening Statue" at least once in their life. Its a sight to see....lol. I gotta find a pic of that and post it...

UPDATE: Damn they moved it to National Habor in 08. I cant believe it!
 

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UNORTHODOX

Father Timeless
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 44
They did clean it. Both the potomac and anacostia. Thats how bad polution is. They clean'em atleast every year!! Yea they moved the awakening smh...
 

LouBez

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
The whole Tax people to save the planet is a BULLLLSHIT idea....Just think about it for a while....Humans will always waste, always....there is no way around it, charging people doesnt make that waste go away. The only way to eliminate the waste from humans is to eliminate them...wait Im getting ahead of myself.

Has there ever been a tax on the people that didnt have some kind of "reasonable" reason for implementation? So to say that this is ok cause its a tax to protect the environment is very short sighted at best...Governments are in the business of maintaining their power, they dont care about you, or the earth...seriously

There are a ton of these laws getting ready to hit the books in the states once England acquiesces to the changes...thats how things are done in the Anglo American empire
 
The whole Tax people to save the planet is a BULLLLSHIT idea....Just think about it for a while....Humans will always waste, always....there is no way around it, charging people doesnt make that waste go away. The only way to eliminate the waste from humans is to eliminate them...wait Im getting ahead of myself.

Has there ever been a tax on the people that didnt have some kind of "reasonable" reason for implementation? So to say that this is ok cause its a tax to protect the environment is very short sighted at best...Governments are in the business of maintaining their power, they dont care about you, or the earth...seriously

There are a ton of these laws getting ready to hit the books in the states once England acquiesces to the changes...thats how things are done in the Anglo American empire

yep i agree, the controversial government schemes that get passed there eventually come here, and the ones we pass eventually arrive there.
For example the increases in the cost of water, including the added cost of waste water came about after the water companies were piratized, I mean privatized. We did that quite a while ago, and now they are introducing it there,
 

MagnaOpera

Comes Equipped...
ill o.g.
The whole Tax people to save the planet is a BULLLLSHIT idea....Just think about it for a while....Humans will always waste, always....there is no way around it, charging people doesnt make that waste go away. The only way to eliminate the waste from humans is to eliminate them...wait Im getting ahead of myself.

Has there ever been a tax on the people that didnt have some kind of "reasonable" reason for implementation? So to say that this is ok cause its a tax to protect the environment is very short sighted at best...Governments are in the business of maintaining their power, they dont care about you, or the earth...seriously

There are a ton of these laws getting ready to hit the books in the states once England acquiesces to the changes...thats how things are done in the Anglo American empire
aaaaand the alternative is?

at least taxes offer incentive to waste LESS. and no the government is not in the business of maintaining its own power when the government itself pays carbon taxes... ... ... well maybe not the american government lolz haliburton obama is bush etc
 

LouBez

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
The alternative is analyzing the real problem and treating it, not charging citezens for bullshit carbin offsets that NOONE can verify and that will be traded in world markets and eventually be ome derivitives. Even if you buy the whole carbon is raising the global temp theory there are numerous ways to get off oil instead of adding a tax.

Here's one:

a hydrogen fuel cell the size of your ac can power your home cleanly, but they are very expensive to produce, china and japan have subsidized the cost so that in the next 3 to 5 years these units will cost 1000 dollars as opposed to the 30 000 they cost now...no more coal plants...thats a REAL carbon offset.

Turn the tv off and think for yourself this is a very critical time n human history and if you let the media do the thinking for you ur gonna wind up with a boot in you back.
 
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