Bill Cosby’s Take on Black Responsibility

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Analysis: A Reality Check: Bill Cosby’s Take on Black Responsibility
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004
By: DeWayne Wickham

When Bill Cosby was called to the stage of Constitution Hall last week to receive an award for his philanthropy during a Washington, D.C. gala that commemorated the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, what the comedian said was anything but funny.

Cosby used his time on stage to applaud the sacrifices made by the civil rights activists of the 1950s and 1960s and to complain that too many blacks today are wasting away the opportunities that the Civil Rights Movement made possible for them.

His words sparked a heated debate among blacks — and a feeding frenzy among right-wing commentators who have tried to turn Cosby’s remarks to their advantage.

While most media reports on this matter have been based on second-hand accounts of what Cosby said, BlackAmericaWeb.com has obtained an audiotape portion of his speech to share with its readers.

Jesse Jackson once said that “Content without context is pretext.” Mindful of that admonition, we offer this reality check on some of what Cosby had to say during that controversial speech.

Bill Cosby on the Poor Verbal Skills of many Young Blacks:

“I can’t even talk the way these people talk: ‘Why you ain’t, where you is’…I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. It’s all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and when you got in the house you switched to English. Everybody knows that at some point you switch to English, except these knuckleheads.”

“We’re raising our own home-grown immigrants.”

BAW Reality Check:

Last year the College Board, which administers the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) reported that while test scores for virtually every other racial and ethnic group rose, blacks students made no progress on the exam between 2001 and 2002. Black students had the lowest average score of all groups in both the math and verbal portions of the test.

Bill Cosby on Blacks and Crime:

“I’m talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange (prison jump) suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you don’t know he had a pistol?”

“Looking at the incarcerated, these people are not political prisoners. These people are going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. Then we’re all outraged. Ah, the cops shouldn’t have shot him. What the hell was he doing with the piece of pound cake in his hands? I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else. I looked at it and I had no money, and something called parenting said ‘if you get caught with it you’re going to embarrass your mother; plus you’re gonna to get your butt kicked.’”

BAW Reality Check:

The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that 12 percent of black men between the ages of 25 and 29 were in jail or prison in June 2002. Nearly 560,000 black men between the ages of 20 and 39 were incarcerated at that time.

Bill Cosby on Out-of-Wedlock Births to Blacks:

“Grandmother, mother and great-grandmother in the same place raising children and the child knows nothing about love or respect from any one of the three of them. All the child knows is give me, give me, give me.”

“We’re not parenting ladies and gentlemen. Listen to these people. They are showing you what’s wrong. People putting their clothes on backward; isn’t that a sign of something going on wrong? Are you not paying attention? People with the hat on backwards and pants down around their crack. Isn’t that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?”

“Isn’t it a sign of something when she’s got a dress on all the way up to her crack?”

BAW Reality Check:
Sixty-eight percent of all babies born to black women in 2002 were born out of wedlock, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' National Vital Statistics Report.
 

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Freakwncy

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heart touching subject there Wings.... I'm w/ classic, I really dont know, who knows what's really going on...I think alot people are out to lunch..... but i'm not one for politics or religion talk ither...
 

afriquedeluxe

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hmm cosby is right in some parts, but what exaclty is wrong with wearin baggy pants and a cap backwards ? cuz am not gona go to work with a cap on, or baggy pants, but if im out with friends having fun, you wont find me in no suit.
 

StressWon

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Let me say this,,,,,,,,


Bill Cosby has his head so far up his ass, that he can't really see whats goin on. I mean, how long has he been a multi-millionaire??? He has lost touch with reality a loooong time ago,,,and with that being said...

,,,some things he mentioned were truthful to an extent, but he still sounded like an ass!

Just my two "white" cents,,,lol
 

bigdmakintrax

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Hey Imma check some of the comments, you know everyone has a divided opinion....there are SOOOOOO Many issues that drive a lot of these problems, economics....missed opportunities etc.........did anyone actually hear the entire speech and the context of what he was saying??????..., and a lot of what he is saying is Dead on man.....he basically is shining a light on the irresponsiblities of parenting that has made its way to a lot of the Kids today....and Prevalent USE of the N-BomB by anyone and everyone in WORLD....a term instantiated as a result of SLAVERY...and always trying to blame someone, such as the White man or them for the situation you might be in.........hell we had that discussion on here about as year ago....so he is touching a subject that has nothing to do with him not knowing whats going on.......But he was speaking at Howard U and to their student body addressing issues that MoST educated people like to focus on as being a weak point in our family as a whole......I think MONEY has nothing to do with the statements that he has been making.....HELL these the discussions going on in MOST black churches and in a lot of households that have some respect and with parents or single parents that are tryna make some social ladder moves, this is the same stuff preachers have been shoving down our throats for years, have hope for their seeds and want them to better themselves than staying stuck on stupid,....... so I don't buy into the fact that BILL is a Millionaire and what he is saying is only coming out of his Mouth because of that fact.........he merely has the ability to get on a Stage at Howard and Plant these seeds to get those Minds working and debating about the Future of Black People in America and where the F we might be headed, there are a lot of us sleep walking........he reminds me of my grandfather though...LOL...he went thru all of that Segregation and the Black and white signs......he would get angry at folks that are still stuck in that Mode of not wanting to get any further with all of the Blood that got let back in the 50's and 60's.......cats today don't have any concept of that too....and they take being able to do whatever you want,......go wherever you want for granted.........1967...wasn't 100 years ago thats when they passed the Civil rights act.....anyhow so much for the politics.....I just say don't let Bill Cosby be the Bad Guy, Because he's not.....he doesn't have to say anything.....but on the Real no one else is saying shiddd.......
 
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bills right,theres a lot of inner city kids that dont give a shit whut happenes to them and theyll do anythin they want and say anything to anybody,my little cousins one of them,has the grammer of a 10 year old,cant spell ,doods 13 and comes home ever other week suspended for cusiin out a teacher or getting into a fight,i try to teach him to do the right shit but hes fuckin hard headed ,and when it comes down to it it really is his parents fault and its pretty noticable.
 

Freakwncy

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:02 sec. PAUSE FOR THE CAUSE

I think EVERYONE is making sense, and I think it's up to us, the future producers to make sure there are some positive songs going out there... I'm not saying that all your songs have to be positive or pro-active.... just make sure that AT LEAST 1 of those 15-22 trks, you produce for an artist is positive... let them(KIDS) know...There's always hope and a future for anyone that's will to put wrk and effort into it....

hey why dont we instead of turning this into a Bill Cosby debate is, tell ea. other what's going on in our communities...around the world, and see if we can come up w/ an answer..... like a "Self Destrution 2" CD or something.....
 

def1nition

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Yeah Bill was speakin some facts he did give statistics and stuff but he gave no solution anyone can point out a problem you can look at the news and see what the problems in the black community are. He was right about a lot of things but what is he gonna do to try to change things. Also Cosby is just acknowleging the negative steryotypes given to blacks Right Wing politicians loved this. Yes there's problems in the black community but some of us are doing positive things also. I'm tired of seeing and hearing just the negative side of the black communities we see it in our music the news T.V. period one of the reasons blacks act this way is because we're expected to the black guy who drops out of school sells Crack and womanizes is glorified, the positive is never shown how can you expect people to change when they see no alternative.
 

MadManBeats

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I think Bill cosby would make a good point if his arguments were more based on real reasons of the problem hes talkin about, instead of finding like afrique said problems in backward hats and baggy pants...
 

Cold Truth

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he had real reasons, but apprantly all you saw was the baggy pants. there is more than a hint of irony there, i think.

i am not black. i am, however, hispanic (mixed race, although all of my features are hispanic) and have my own unique experiences.

i can tell you that from where i sit, there is validity to what he says amongst other races, not just blacks.

he mentions the crying mother whose grown son is incarcerated. he said "where were yuo when he was 2? 12? 18?" well, my mom was/is that outraged, crying mother whose 11 kids by different fathers go like this: 2 dead at infancy, 1 taken from her and parental rights ternminated, 1 who lives a reasonably good life with his since-changed father, and 6 kids who were also taken and put in the foster care system. 1 of them, my 18 year old brither, has spent roughly 5 years of his 18 year old life in jail. another, my 12 year old brither, has exhausted every available level 12 and 14 group home and facility in southern california, and currently is in sacramento in a high level facility. she hasnt had much contact with either of them. so guess who was the one to shoulder those burdens? me- her oldest son. i had the choice between the streets and the system and ultimately chose the streets and whoever was cool enough to take me in for a time. think i was prepared to deal with court dates and buying clothes and dealing meetings at schools with teachers and counselors and social workers, taking time off of my own job to do so? at 20, 21, 22?

my mom was so outraged that my 18 year old brother was put in Y.A for two years for a simple AWOL- the straw that broke the camels back for him. she was outraged and angry when my 12 year old brother had his visits with me pulled because he threatens to kill other kids and staff at home and school.

she gets so angry because the system has done these terrible injustices.

but, just like bill said, where was she?

you cant make me believe for a second that this is all an isolated, unique experience- and you cant convince me that the black community doesnt have the same problems.

question: would you rather, say, snoop get up to promote his latest porn video? how about if they gave that award to a drug dealing pimp instead? would that be better?

would yuo rather the man get up and advocate for the things that are plaguing the black community? would you rather him give a shout to all the pimps, pushers and hustlers, ala kanye? would that be better?

for crying out loud. to me, it sounds like the guy just wants to see his own people strive for better. i dont completely agree with everything he said (that i have heard) or, more to the point- the way he said it- but realistically, he has some valid points here.
 

Complexxx

Hip Hop Apprentice
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Personally, I don't see how any young black man can knock Bill Cosby like he a fraud or something. All he did was speak the truth. I don't see anyone else gettin up on stage and doin what he did. And as far as him being rich...would it make any difference if a broke ass or middle class black man said the same thing.....oh my bad....THEY DON'T!
 

Cold Truth

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and here is something else to consider-

he took the PARENTS to task. the PARENTS.

he didnt blame rap music. he didnt blame black athletes. he didnt come out protesting explicit lyrics or even the drug dealers and pimps and and gangstas. he did something that these politicians arent doing.

he took the parents to task. he should be applauded for that. flat out, he basically just said that the parents need to do their damn job, and do it better.

for once a black man gets up and doesnt accept the low class imagethat is the ONLY image of blacks- and other minorities, mind you- that white america sees. as minorities, we are looked upon as gardeners, factory workers, welfare cases..... just lower class citizens. this is a guy who doent accept that.

why is he wrong for saying that we shuoldnt accept that ourselves?

sure, the sagging pants and slang is a little over the top. im not really in agreement with the retentive nature of those, but there is a much bigger picture here.
 

maddogg

A hater since the womb!
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Im white so I dont know if im out of place or not but to me if hes so concerned hes in a position to do alot more than piss and moan.Im not saying hes done nothing but it'll take more than a few words to find solutions. Its alot easier to preach from outside the situation than from in it.
Peace
 

djswivel

Producer Extraordinaire
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In my opinion, Bill is right in almost every aspect, he just doesn't deliver the message in the most positive or uplifting manner. He's just like many grandfathers out there "Oh when I was a kid, shit was soooo hard, blah blah." Times change. He is right about many things but the clothes is not one of them. It's a style, to wear baggy clothes now, just like lookin like a goof was the style back in his day. LOL.....Anyways, as a white person, I'm not the best person to comment on the whole situation with the Black communities. But I can say it's not just black people. There's now a lot of punk ass white, asian, islamic kids, as well as blacks who just don't give a fuck. They have THIER heads up their ass and don't see the bigger picture. They just see what's right in front of them. Sellin drugs, robbing people, etc etc, it's quick money, but it's not gonna make you rich. It's not gonna support a family. If anything it's gonna destroy a family.

I think a lot of it is the parents. You can't blame hip hop, you can't blame TV. The parents aren't doing their jobs. And maybe it's not their faults, I'm assuming most parents in the rough comminuties are raising their children the same way they were originally raised, but at some point the cycle has to end. If parents continue to follow old trends, there will never be a solution. It all starts at home. Parents should know what their kids are doing, where they're going, who their friends are. That doesn't mean lock them up and be super strict, but parents need to talk with their kids, and just be aware. And this IS NOT just the black community.......

Maybe I'm gonna be getting a bit off topic with this one, but please bare with me. On FOX the other night, I was watching some reality show, and I was shocked at what I saw. It was the one where the 2 families change mothers for a week or whatever, and it was a suburban black family, who seem to be a real nice family, with good values, but little money, and a mixed white/japaese family who were super rich. Anyways, the mothers switched families and the white mother, who probably isn't the breadwinner in the family just sat around and expected the kids to do shit for her. She wasn't open to their lifestyle at all. She told the kids they couldn't play hip hop cuz it hurts her head etc etc. Then on the other hand the black mother was very nice, and open to the concept of mothering a new family. She sat down with one of the white/Jap kids and did a puzzle with him, and the kid said, "My real mom would never do this with me". I thought that was terrible, considering the white mom was loaded and just sits around, being waited on hand and foot. My point is, just because you live in poverty it doens't mean you can't properly raise your kids. Even rich parents don't do the job. At least those rich kids have a nanny that is payed to love them lol....Anyways, bottom line, PARENTS NEED TO WAKE THE F UP!! Unfortuneately there probably aren't a whole lot of parents who get to read this...


newyas, just my 2 cents...hopefully I didn't overstep my grounds on this one
 
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