Just listening to the original samples...Blueprint 1 is..

[DJ Reflex]

OK listen up assholes and by that i mean all of you! i cam to this a lil late but heres what i think of this debate!
1. im very sad about this debate because in the past illmuzik heads cud agree to disagree and leave it but now ur letting this boil into a debate id expect to find on some other shitty website!
2. Jay-z used to be underground and now that he's mainstream yall dont like him! the fuck is the point in even starting to get into the music business if u aint in it to be succesful.
3 WHAT IS UNDERGROUND TODAY WILL ONE DAY BE MAINSTREAM
4. I live in Scotland in the middle of the countryside and am surrounded by cows and sheep! i go to school in the city and its far from ghetto! i attend a private school and my parents are relatively well off. to top it all i have a music studio in my garden and im only 16! I AM HIP HOP. i am because i say i am! i feel it, i know it, i love it, i make it, and i live it! its in the way i dress the language i use despite my rather well pronounced scottish accent! im not a wanna be gangsta! and i just do what i like! i own no bling! i wear a white tee-shirt and a pair of jeans and feel happy! i am a practicing catholic and have never smoked weed or even a cigarette! i drink on occasion but never for the sake of gettin pissed! I AM HIP HOP! no one has the right to tell me that im not cos i dont live in the bronx or harlem or cos i aint got bling or cos i aint black or cos i got longish hair or cos i aint drinving a caddy and cos i aint gotta hustle! hell i got many friends in the states! i have mates in the bronx and harlem and they feel just as sick about this as i do!
3. the blueprint is a gud album if 1 person likes it! there may be other better rappers who are underground (eg Pete Miser) but if 1 person feels it Jay's done his job!
4. We are all hip hop regardless of who we are! so remember this post people and shake hands and agree to disagree and say "i disagree entirely with what you say but i will defend to the end ur right to say it!"

 

[afriquedeluxe]

word!!!! mr. reflex, well said.

 

[Streetwize]

all im annoyed about in this whole thread was people disrespecting jayz as if hes all commercial and then these people say 'oh, jay-z is bad for hiphop'

if u think that, and i dont give a fuck who you are, you are plain idiots

anyway, fade close this

this thread sucks

 

[Equality 7-2521]

spewin that my reasons for staying away from these kinds of threads are still valid.

but....

now that im here and have read (i didnt think i had it in me when i saw it was 5 pages haha) all the posts im gonna give my 2 cents....


jay z used to have something to say back in the day. he never had an amazing delivery and never will but atleast he wrote rhymes which meant something. the fact of the matter is that he no longer does this. he himself admits to selling out. that in itself is enough for me to withdraw all props which he may have deserved in the past. you either keep it real or you dont. there is no half way. so thats why i give jayz no props. obove all, i think he is overrated because he has never done anything which was not done by better by someone else.

actaully, on second thoughts, i cant be fucked writing the rest of what i was gonna say.

im feeling what Wings and Rigor said.

Peace

 

[jaydub23510]

I DO NOT HATE\DISLIKE maintream\commercial music. I DO HATE\DISLIKE commercialism and its negative effects on music. music is music and it shouldn't turn into a business. especially, not into this whole shitty industry that has nothing to do with music.





Get money my niggas, and leave your ill lyrics in your headphones for yourself, fuck these haters, I rather make a million dollars selling out, and make music I like at home for my self, people not buying your shit won't feed your children, from what Wings is saying he rather not feed his family than sell commercial music! that's sick! Like Jay-Z said I'll sell water to a whale!!! This world is not free! Shit costs, Cars Cost, Clothes cost, Pussy Costs, Your production equip cost, GET PAID BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!
wtf is you talking about, you act like you mad niggas is gettin' money, or endorsements or whatever, you are real fucking jealous man!

 

[The Bastard]

damn im mad late on this post but my opinion is anyone underatting jigga is straight up hatin cuz hes been makin classics for years consistantly, his skills cant be denied and he got the dolo to pay for the best productions ,yeah he spits sum commercial shit sumtimes but if u listen to his albums in theyr entirety its easy to tell hes spittin sum real shit from experience,hes not the best in my opinion but im sure theres not one backpack rapper out there that can touch hova ,scratch that they cant even see hova

p.s. reflex yur a pretty outspoken rich kid, do your thang homie

 

[StressWon]

damn im mad late on this post but my opinion is anyone underatting jigga is straight up hatin cuz hes been makin classics for years consistantly, his skills cant be denied and he got the dolo to pay for the best productions ,yeah he spits sum commercial shit sumtimes but if u listen to his albums in theyr entirety its easy to tell hes spittin sum real shit from experience,hes not the best in my opinion but im sure theres not one backpack rapper out there that can touch hova ,scratch that they cant even see hova

p.s. reflex yur a pretty outspoken rich kid, do your thang homie

I agree to a certain extent bro. As in "backpack rappers" who do ya mean? Like cats from Rawkus(RIP)? Cause Mos, Kweli, or Monch would destroy Jay. I don't hate Jay. Like I posted I do have a copy of Blueprint. But these cats are superior rappers. I mean Jay is up there with them, but its still only my opinion. And far as backpack rappers,,,Nobody's touchin Common!